tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19297350.post1732914711543218258..comments2023-09-17T10:57:35.535+03:00Comments on Ukrainiana: Tarashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18139892487573795049noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19297350.post-15109601093235762332008-01-15T12:52:00.000+02:002008-01-15T12:52:00.000+02:00My exposure to the corporate culture of post-Sovie...My exposure to the corporate culture of post-Soviet service organizations tells me that some of those managers are really asking for it.Tarashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18139892487573795049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19297350.post-52860498004879134992008-01-14T18:26:00.000+02:002008-01-14T18:26:00.000+02:00Tymo bumped into a classmate while managing the pa...Tymo bumped into a <A HREF="http://pravda.com.ua/news/2008/1/14/69661.htm" REL="nofollow">classmate</A> while managing the payout process by walking around.Tarashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18139892487573795049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19297350.post-23763561367102539542008-01-14T18:20:00.000+02:002008-01-14T18:20:00.000+02:00While for others - they get the boot."The manageme...While for others - they get the boot.<BR/><BR/>"The management board of the state-owned Oschadbank held a meeting on January 12 to address the payment of compensations to depositors of the former USSR's Saving Bank, at the end of which a decision was taken to dismiss 35 and reprimand 52 managers of the banks' departments for poor preparations for payment of compensations."<BR/>http://www.ukranews.com/eng<BR/>/article/94250.html<BR/><BR/>Talk about the carrot and the stick.<BR/><BR/>LuidaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19297350.post-70552038927323163312008-01-14T18:16:00.000+02:002008-01-14T18:16:00.000+02:00The state-owned Savings Bank (Oschadbank) has rais...The state-owned Savings Bank (Oschadbank) has raised its employees’ wages by 50% from January.<BR/><BR/>Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko announced this at a press conference in Dnipropetrovsk. <BR/>http://www.ukranews.com/eng<BR/>/article/94433.html<BR/><BR/>Payout is windfall for Oschadbank employees.<BR/><BR/>LuidaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19297350.post-73840204597326279982008-01-14T02:35:00.000+02:002008-01-14T02:35:00.000+02:00You can be sure I agree with Tony Blair. I want Uk...You can be sure I agree with Tony Blair. <BR/><BR/>I want Ukraine to be a better place. I want Ukraine to be a country worth living in. That’s why I don’t want Tymoshenko to capitalize on those cheap handouts as a self-styled political Taj Mahal. <BR/><BR/>I want her to live up to her promise by decapitalizing the less-than-invisible hand that forces Ukrainians to quit their homeland in droves or die before their grandchildren are born.<BR/><BR/>I wouldn't have voted for her if I hadn't considered her to be the best choice. It is with choice that criticism comes. She’s a fighter. But if she does anything that fails the choice I made, I will talk about it. The house rule is this: Fighter yes, prodigal daughter no.<BR/><BR/>To tell you the truth, reprivatization doesn’t seem realistic to me. What I want from her is to do all she can to cast the remaining privatization set in the Kryvorizhstal mold.<BR/><BR/>Like millions of other Ukrainians, I want a bigger bang for my ballot, and I deserve it.Tarashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18139892487573795049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19297350.post-24852138480755288042008-01-14T00:54:00.000+02:002008-01-14T00:54:00.000+02:00TarasI think you know this, but I wasn't addressin...Taras<BR/><BR/>I think you know this, but I wasn't addressing anything specifically your way.<BR/><BR/>Even if $200 doesn't have a lot of purchasing power in Kyiv, it's got to amount to at least something - even in Kyiv.<BR/><BR/>As far as 52 million people:<BR/><BR/>Tony Blair said that the measure of a country is how many people want to get in - and how many people want to get out.<BR/><BR/>He did not mean fraudsters, or hucksters, or swindlers, or "investors".<BR/><BR/>He meant people who would want to live there and be citizens.<BR/><BR/>I think Tymoshenko is at least one of those people who is trying to make Ukraine into a country that people want to get into.<BR/><BR/>As far as the enemy being "us" - that means all of those people who still vote for "stabilnist," all of those people who still carry flowers to Lenin's statues on Sunday, all of those people who demand - or pay - bribes in Ukraine, all of those people who stay silent when there is wrongdoing committed by a government official, etc.<BR/><BR/>I think you understand perfectly well.<BR/><BR/>I wish it could be better, but the only other alternative for getting people back all that money is to examine every crooked privatization since 1991, and get all the money back in re-privatization.<BR/><BR/>In principle, that's what should happen.<BR/><BR/>At least Tymoshenko holds out the hope that there may be more than just $200 down the road.<BR/><BR/>The money's got to come from somewhere, and it just isn't there at the moment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19297350.post-53845640626922249202008-01-13T19:59:00.000+02:002008-01-13T19:59:00.000+02:00I never thought of Tymoshenko as the enemy. But I ...I never thought of Tymoshenko as the enemy. But I do think she can be too friendly with the enemy. It's bothering the hell out of me because I voted for her party. And if you take into account the cost of living in Ukraine, and specifically in Kyiv, you'll see that $200 almost amounts to 0.<BR/><BR/>Is the enemy inside of us? The answer is yes and no.<BR/><BR/>To the extent that in my extended family I do have Communists, I'd say yes. But to the extent that my parents never voted for the Communist Party or Kuchma, I'd say no.<BR/><BR/>As for me, I was but 11 years old when one Evil Empire ended and another one began. Initially, the West didn't notice the evil of that nascent empire. Why? Because it didn't threaten the West with nukes. But as you know, very soon that empire would nuke her own people out of their future.<BR/><BR/>When I was 11, in my English class I had to memorize that "Ukraine is a country of 52 million people." And guess what — 17 years later we only have about 46.Tarashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18139892487573795049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19297350.post-69849716185278996302008-01-13T17:22:00.000+02:002008-01-13T17:22:00.000+02:00Taras, if my realistic choice was zero or $200, wh...Taras, if my realistic choice was zero or $200, which is the case in Ukraine, I would not be happy about it, but at least it's something.<BR/><BR/>0% of 100 = 0.<BR/><BR/>And if the government was robbing me blind in other ways, such as by perpetuating a few corrupt thug oligarchs, and preventing me from earning a livelihood by imposing all sorts of "payments" to government Mafia types, I would be happy to see a person like Tymoshenko at least making a start to fight for me.<BR/><BR/>Who else is there in Ukraine, besides Lutsenko, who has provided her type of leadership and actually done something on a realistic basis?<BR/><BR/><BR/>Tymoshenko is not the enemy here.<BR/><BR/>She did not cause the state to default on the deposits.<BR/><BR/>The people who bought into the sovok system did.<BR/><BR/>That's a hard fact to swallow.<BR/><BR/>"We have met the enemy and he is - us."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19297350.post-11697141008256406822008-01-13T00:48:00.000+02:002008-01-13T00:48:00.000+02:00David, BYuT is not backing off. BYuT is indeed doi...<B>David</B>, BYuT is not backing off. <BR/><BR/>BYuT is indeed doing more than any other party has ever done before. But it can also be seen as using this theme as a voter loyalty program. You know what I mean.<BR/><BR/>And what’s more, these savings being "returned" do not even cover the interest accrued, not to mention the principal. Calling them “returned,” “repaid,” “refunded” (or whatever) would be a joke, financially speaking. <BR/><BR/>From my point of view, I see a mountain being made out of a molehill.<BR/><BR/><BR/><B>Elmer</B>, it's not about satisfaction. It's about social justice.<BR/><BR/>And I wouldn’t call them "Sovok" savings. These are the savings that Ukrainians earned by the sweat of their brow. These are <I>not</I> stock options.<BR/><BR/>If the U.S. government borrowed $6,000 from you in 1988 and then offered you $200 in 2008, would you accept it as a settlement? Would you jump for joy? I don’t think you would. <BR/><BR/>That explains the sarcasm in my post.Tarashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18139892487573795049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19297350.post-16351384226242494292008-01-12T23:08:00.000+02:002008-01-12T23:08:00.000+02:00sorry you lost me, is BYuT backing off in a "diplo...sorry you lost me, is BYuT backing off in a "diplomatic" manner from their promise to return the savings?<BR/><BR/>dlwDLWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17709279441985086959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19297350.post-62751890905573980552008-01-12T19:10:00.000+02:002008-01-12T19:10:00.000+02:00Is there any Ukrainian who is ever satisfied with ...Is there any Ukrainian who is ever satisfied with anything? And given that dissatisfaction, has anything better to implement?<BR/><BR/>Unless I am mistaken, I sense a little bit of sarcasm or disappointment.<BR/><BR/>But, really, has anyone ever addresssed the return of those lost sovok savings deposits like Tymoshenko has? Meaning, giving back at least some of the lost money? In the sense of "every little bit helps"? Or "at least it's something, and more than before"?<BR/><BR/>For 17 years, a few thugs have been robbing Ukraine blind.<BR/><BR/>Now she and her co-workers are doing something about it.<BR/><BR/>Isn't it high time?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com