Dugintalk: ‘Tanks on Kyiv!’ or the ‘Dismantlement of One Ukraine’

Watch a heart-to-heart discussion of Ukraine by a troika of Russian psychopundits, featuring Aleskandr Dugin.

The leader of the Eurasia Party, Dugin, shouts from the rooftops what Putin whispers between the sheets. He indulges in peripheral thinking, mangles sentence structure, and revels in imperial eschatology.

I translated the bloodiest portions of their lovely conversation on “Dva protiv odnogo” (“Two Against One”), a talk show hosted by Denis Litov.

Aleksandr Dugin, guest: After our success in Georgia, they [pro-Russian Ukrainians] will ever more consistently, with ever mor…more hope, choose our side. That’s why the battle of Ukraine — it’s certainly a completely different one from the battle of Georgia, but…uh…there’s something down there that we don’t have [in Georgia’s case]. Half the population of this country supports us. Those are our people. First of all, they are the same ethnically as the people living in Rostov oblast, in K...in Stavropol or in Krasnodar. It is the New-Russ...New...New-Russian ethnicity...subethnicity of the Russian people which consists of Cossacks, a very complex formation, one with a complex historical destiny. They’re all Orthodox people, definitely, having certain features that distinguish them both from western Ukrainians — mighty big ones — and from the Russians living in Orel oblast, for instance, up there in the North, especially up there in Yaroslavl oblast. That is, it’s a distinct pro...Eastern-Russian Orthodox people — those New Russians — and our Kubanians, what else, Rostovians and residents of Donetsk oblast or Dnepropetrovsk oblast or of the land of Kharkiv. Those are R-U-S-S-I-A-N-S. And this Russian half, the Russian half of Ukraine’s population — Russians in a broad sense, anti-NATO — this is the base for a categorical rejection of this ultra-Western sort of Saakashvilian-Yushchennnn-kite sss…scenario. Uh...in this regard, I think, well, Crimea is simply an exp...it’s a fuse, right? It’s a powder keg.

Denis Litov, host: As I was saying, it’s via Crimea that somehow we can pull it off, methinks.

Dugin: Via Crimea! Well, it’s just that things are getting hotter and rougher in Crimea, but, in fact, by raising this issue of Ukraine, we get a colossal tool for influencing the entire political system. Under a peaceful agenda, we couldn’t use it — via the Party of Regions, via Yanukovych — peacefully, electorally, what else, by way of bribery, parliamentary intrigues, government appointments, what else. This situation we d…haven’t been ab…haven’t finished for various reasons. It didn’t work. What’s left is the radical scenario. Now I think Ukraine will have four poles of power — we can already witness their formation. Four poles of force — force, not power yet, let’s put it that way. They are the “ultra-Americans,” who gather around NUNS and Yushchenko — it’s a kind of a Saakashvili scenario — and they will take this same path and will definitely sta...stage, in the near term, genocide of the Russian population, ethnic cleansing. They’ve come real close to it. They’ve formed Ukrainian Nazi groups such as the Patriot Ukrayiny movement. They’re providing them with special funding and are planting them into Crimea, for a purpose we all understand. That is, we’ll have to deal with this. [Video time: 4:02-6:22]

He then describes Yulia “Soft” Tymoshenko as the second pole. Moving on, he assigns Viktor “Neither Fish Nor Fowl” Yanukovych to the third pole. Finally, he hails the pro-Russian elements within the Party of Regions plus Vitrenko’s PSPU plus the Crimean Russian Bloc as the fourth pole.

Q: So Yushchenko will attack Crimea and follow Saakashvili into the political hell of having one’s country dismembered by Russia? Does that make any sense? Yushchenko is plotting genocide and ethnic cleansing in Crimea? How? What for?

Dugin: And here I think Russia will have to pass a real test — because the Americans, under the excuse of the capers we’re cutting in Georgia, at a time when our troops have yet to move in Ukraine, that’s where the speedy question of Kyiv’s speedy accession into MAP may arise. And should we fail to seize the moment to initiate, in effect, the DISMANTLING of one Ukraine — politically one — that is, unless we get to it right now — get to it WITHOUT DELAY — we may lose the time and considerably…and it may so happen that we...that they had sacrificed Georgia for us in order to get Ukraine. And Ukraine is a matter of principle. It’s more important than Georgia, much more important. Brzezinski wrote about this: that Ukraine is an opportunity for Russia to become a world empire again. If the Russians somehow make it in Ukraine, then we’ll actually… [incoherent]

Litov: What happens if we decide to move in with tanks there right now...
Dugin: Touché!
Litov: ...on their territory, as it was in Czechoslovakia…
Dugin: That’s right! Tanks on Kyiv!
Litov: ...and unabashedly tanks will go in…
Dugin: Yes.
Litov: ...tanks will simply roll by...
Dugin: Yes.
Litov: ...nobody will fight them...
Dugin: Nobody will.
Litov: So what? Russian tanks?
Dugin: With flowers.
Litov: With stars, with flowers they will greet us real nice.
Dugin: Yes.
Litov: Of course, some liberal journalists...
Dugin: ...will be a little stifled. [будут немножко удавлены?]
Litov: ...will, like, take pictures of some tearful granny who will be yelling in this Ukrainian language...
Dugin: I think SHE’S ALREADY...
Litov: “Okupinty!” [faux Ukrainian; the correct Ukrainian for occupiers is окупанти (okupanty)]
Dugin: SHE’S ALREADY BEEN PHOTOGRAPHED, this granny, in Hollywood!
Litov: Yes! “Okupinty!” You’re absolutely right!
Dugin: She’s probably already...they’re already showing her without us knowing about it.
Litov: That’s right! That’s right!
Dugin: ...because Western propaganda, it’s... [Video time: 8:45-10:00]

Dugin then launches into a diatribe against Western coverage of the Russian-Georgian war, a proxy war between Ukraine and Russia, he believes. Another guy weighs in. He suggests that the Pskov Airborne Division be dropped west of Kyiv, to cut the capital off from western Ukraine, the root of all evil in the USSR.

Hey guys, why don't you test the waters yourselves? You can bring your own flowers.

Well, most eastern Ukrainians indeed speak Russian or surzhyk and vote pro-Russian, having experienced the melting pot of Russification for generations. However, Russians remain a minority in all of Ukraine’s oblasts, except the Crimean Autonomous Republic.

In Ukraine, people who speak Russian do not always support Russian foreign policy. Suffice it to say that Kyiv, still largely a Russian-speaking city, voted overwhelmingly against Yanukovych, the pro-Russian candidate, in 2004.

I digress. So when do you guys start dismantling Ukraine? When should we expect your tanks? After Tymoshenko or Yanukovych gets elected?

At the end of the show, Dugin jokingly recollects walking in Moscow and bumping into a guy who asked him about the U.S. Embassy’s location. Dugin: “Do you want to blow it up?” Guy: “Yes! How did you know?”


P.S. As Obama and Medvedev meet for their first time Wednesday, it’s important that they don’t push any buttons before the U.S. Department of State learns Russian.

Video embedded from: http://video.oboz.ua/movie.php?aWQ9MjYxMDAmdnQ9MA
Original source: http://2-1.ru

Hate at Hoverla
Ukrainian National Emblem Vandalized by ‘Eurasian’ Extremists

At the top of Mt. Hoverla, Ukraine’s highest peak and President Yushchenko’s favorite mountaineering range, members of the Eurasian Youth Union have trashed the Ukrainian coat of arms, the trident, and its accompanying stone engravings.

Pictures of the trident being sawed off (the trident used to crown Hoverla) appeared online on Friday. The Eurasian Youth Union (known by its Russian acronym as ESM) claimed responsibility for the incident. The ESM is a cadet wing of the Eurasia Party, helmed by neo-imperial ideologist Aleksandr Dugin.

A statement issued by the Eurasians contains threats of more “preventive action” in the event of Tymoshenko’s premiership, Ukrayinska Pravda reports. It also reports that the SBU has identified three suspects, two of them nationals of the Russian Federation. The SBU has determined that the trident was dismantled, not sawed off, as simulated in the video below. (Perhaps the saw wasn't up to the task.)



The SBU claims to have gathered evidence that this act of vandalism was masterminded and coordinated by ESM leader Pavel Zarifullin and by his boss Aleksandr Dugin. More on ESM activities in Ukraine:



Commenting on the episode, Dugin revels in Slavic folklore and couches his rhetoric in a self-styled struggle between good and evil:

What happened at Hoverla was a castration of Ukrainian orangism. It was a symbolic castration of Yushchenko. Now what’s left is to get to Tymoshenko. But, because this surgery is not applicable to her, she, like a witch, has to be burned.

Bingo. As in the case of Kashchei, to defeat the orange serpent, it’s necessary to find an egg that’s in the woods, hanging on a tree branch, inside of which is a needle that has to be broken. That they sawed off the lousy neo-Nazi trident — that, I believe, was the breaking of the needle of Kashchei.

It’s necessary to demonstrate to the whole world the beastly, absolutely anti-people, anti-national neo-Nazi mug of the orange regime.

They already gave it a try once. For that, a Yushchenko adviser was deported from St. Petersburg. We’ve seen that Russia does not sell her own kind. Putin’s Russia does not sell her own kind.

Statement of the Eurasian Youth Union (translated from Russian):

The forces of a special mountain ESM unit at Mt. Hoverla have sawed off and desecrated the symbol of Ukraine’s occupation, the trident. Destroyed is the granite plate of the Ukrainian sectarian church. Shattered is the granite landmark devoted to the so-called Constitution of Ukraine.

In place of the Ukrainian collaborators’ blue-white banner, erected on top of the mountain is the flag of the Eurasian Youth Union.

Mt. Hoverla is hereby renamed to Stalin Peak.

With this unprecedented act of Eurasian enthusiasm, the ESM proclaims that the days of the so-called “independent Ukraine” are coming to an end. In place of the ugly limitrophe entity, we will build a Great Ukraine, as part of the Eurasian Empire.

Also, the ESM warns that in the event of orange ape Yulia Tymoshenko’s appointment to the post of Premier of the so-called Ukraine, we will not be able to stop our Ukrainian activists from taking preventive action of direct effect against the leadership of this pseudo-country.

Persona Non Grata Aleksandr Dugin on Ukraine

Оранжевый цвет - цвет растафарианизма, афро-наркотического мессианизма. Он вызывает психотропное воздействие. Показательно, что это цвет отсутствует в традиционной иконописи - его химический характер указывает на синтетические процессы, химию и галлюциногенные наркотики. Оранжевый - цвет т.н. "психоделической революции" и "лигалайз"-культуры. Обычно на оранжевом фоне изображаются стебли марихуаны.

Ющенко обращается к молодежи: "курни, браток", больше не надо будет работать. Это почти африканский стиль карго-культа - новая Украина мыслится как страна "делай, что захочешь!", а будешь жить как в Голландии. По сути это ультралиберальная программа. Ничего из этого, естественно, не получится, Украина станет глубокой и нищей периферией, кстати, ее скорее всего ни в какую Европу и не возьмут, так что "оранжевые" фанаты будут смиренно пить оставшийся от великой советской эпохи вагонный денатурат.

Orange is the color of Rastafarianism, or Afro-drug-induced Messianism. It produces a mind-altering effect. It is noteworthy that this color is missing in traditional icon art: Its chemical makeup points to synthetic processes, to chemistry and to hallucinogenic narcotics. Orange is the color of the “psychedelic revolution” and of the “legalize” culture. Orange customarily supplies the background to depictions of marijuana.

Yushchenko speaks to the youth: “Smoke a joint, pal.” You won’t have to work anymore. It almost strikes as the African style of the cargo cult: a new Ukraine being thought up as the country of do-as-you-please. And yet you'll only end up living like they do in Holland. Essentially, it’s an ultraliberal agenda. Naturally, nothing will come out of it: Ukraine will become a lowdown and destitute peripheral entity. By the way, most likely it won’t be accepted into Europe, so the orange fans will be sheepishly drinking Soviet-era industrial alcohol.


Янукович символ стрэйт. Т.е. недалекого натурала с сильными "полубандитскими" наклонностями. Он не сулит обновления, если под обновлением понимать смену пола. Янукович стал пророссийским и евразийским кандидатом во многом против своей воли. Силой геополитической логики. И он сам явно не до конца осознает своей функции. Но в эсхатологических ситуациях порой разбойник и простец могут стать мучениками за идею и предводителями финального восстания. Чем быстрее Янукович осознает глубину этой миссии - пусть через систему своих донецких понятий - тем адекватнее он будет вести себя в дальнейшим. В принципе ему открыта славная дорога борьбы с мировым злом в лице оранжевого урода, марионетки Запада.

Януковичу надо становиться сейчас во главе восстания Евразии против Атлантики. На нем сгустились тучи великой войны континентов. И там где прогнется парт-функционер или генерал из пацифистов, может быть - дай Бог! - рецидивист с парой ходок станет стеной. Янукович - это избранный сосуд эсхатологичсекого чуда. Но сущность чуда в том, что оно происходит очень редко. Только в чрезвычайных обстоятельствах. Но сейчас партия Януковича - это партия Абсолютного Света, евразийская версия "Хезболлы" - "партии Бога".

Yanukovych symbolizes the straight man, that is, a heterosexual person with a strong “semi-thuggish” propensity. He promises no renewal, if by renewal we mean sex reassignment. To a great extent, Yanukovych became the pro-Russian and Eurasian candidate against his will. Enter the forces of geopolitical logic. Obviously, he does not fully realize his function. But in eschatological situations it is sometimes the robber and the simpleton who becomes the martyr for the cause and the leader of the final showdown. The sooner Yanukovych realizes the depth of his mission — may it even be via his Donetsk mob culture — the more adequately he will behave in the future. Basically, he has an open road of glory before him in the struggle against the world’s evil represented by the Orange Ogre, a puppet of the West.

Yanukovych should now take the reigns of Eurasia’s revolt against both sides of the Atlantic. The clouds of the war of continents are heavy upon him. And whereas, the party functionary or the general of pacifism will cave in, the habitual criminal who served time, it is probable — God willing — will become a bulwark. Yanukovych is the chosen jar of an eschatological miracle. But the gist of this miracle is that it happens quite rarely. It only happens under an extraordinary set of circumstances. But as of today the party of Yanukovych is the party of the Absolute Light, the Eurasian version of Hezbollah, the Party of God.

Source: http://www.evrazia.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2138

Caught in Crossfire of Cold War II
Putin Blasts ‘Tyranny in Ukraine;' Adviser to Yushchenko Persona Non Grata in Russia

A lingering political crisis still grips Ukraine. Over the last few weeks, we have witnessed a Serduchka-caliber performance by Yanukovych, who is now something of a drag queen for elections, acting in consort with diehard naysayer Moroz. We’ve also seen Yushchenko covering his bases with yet a third decree, which cements the agreed election date at Sep. 30.

Russia, whose presidential campaign kicks into gear amid historically high tensions with the West, has refused to be a passive observer in Ukraine’s internal affairs. Cold War II, Putin’s successor strategy, thrives on the phantom fear of NATO aggression. Among experts, there’s an industry-wide interpretation of it being a propaganda ploy with which to galvanize Russian society along the lines of anti-Americanism and Pax Sovietica nostalgia. The tagline, therefore, should read something like this: “They've got us surrounded. What are we, a bunch of suckers?”

The script appears to be simple and stupid:

Step one, brainwashing. Convince the Russian public that NATO, acting through its ‘puppet regimes’ in Ukraine, Georgia, and the Baltics, plots Russia’s total destruction.

Step two, solution-selling. Peddle “Baby Putin” as the one and only superman capable of saving Russia from this axis of evil.

By arousing patriotic sentiment at home, the Kremlin has successfully diverted attention from its routine business of siphoning gas and oil revenue to offshore banks. Educating the West on the virtues of Russian democracy has been a hard sell, though.

In his recent remarks — a melange of self-deprecating posturing and sarcasm — Putin joked about having spiritual ties with Mahatma Gandhi, whose death he said left him ‘with no one to talk to.’ To make it even more funny, he went on to picture himself as a ‘democrat of the purest kind,’ one whose hopes have been dashed by Ukraine’s ‘drift toward tyranny.’

Recently, Mr. GasPutin, as he is often nicknamed, has re-energized his rhetoric about ‘Ukraine living off cheap Russian energy.’ More heat came Tuesday when Russian authorities denied Mykola Zhulynsky entry to the country, preventing Yushchenko’s adviser and former Ukrainian minister of culture from visiting his relatives’ grave.

The incident opens another chapter in the persona non grata warfare between Ukraine and Russia. Zhulynsky, a moderate nationalist whose views pose as big a threat to Russia as French cultural protectionism would do to Hollywood, was picked as the target of a diplomatic reprisal. It turns out Ukraine had incurred the wrath of the Kremlin when it had blacklisted Aleksandr Dugin, the famous Russian political scientist with a neo-imperialist agenda.

For a country frequented by high-profile foreign politicos who treat its independence with disdain and publicly challenge its territorial integrity, Ukraine has shown a profound degree of tolerance and hospitality. Few countries would tolerate that sort of behavior on their soil.

Unlike Vladimir Zhirinovsky and Konstantin Zatulin, whose persona non grata status has recently expired, allowing them to test Ukraine’s patience again, Mykola Zhulynsky carried no bag of tricks with him. Ukrainian foreign affairs minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk has vowed to raise the issue with Russian leadership.